tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828932463444568178.post2838829016266566700..comments2023-10-30T10:23:29.583-04:00Comments on Vegging Out: Observations from a vegan-in-trainingJonathan Cooperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07741525290709353196noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828932463444568178.post-25010304081108996652010-03-05T09:17:26.184-05:002010-03-05T09:17:26.184-05:00The Oreo is getting much delicious and yummy in a ...The Oreo is getting much delicious and yummy in a beautiful packaging.The biscuit is the most famous brand of the world.The packaging is much appealing making a person to grab it.<br /><br />There are also other online packaging and wrapping supply sites, which provide excellent services and customer satisfaction.packing supplieshttp://www.americanpackagingusa.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828932463444568178.post-60970149326633369702010-02-17T22:20:43.069-05:002010-02-17T22:20:43.069-05:00I simply love these comments and thank you Rich an...I simply love these comments and thank you Rich and Meg for taking the time for these very thoughtful ideas. Lauren and I are so determined to make this try a success and it is great to have people who have our backs!Helen Bennett Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407022765050763022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828932463444568178.post-72137112888936861262010-02-17T15:28:41.056-05:002010-02-17T15:28:41.056-05:00I really admire you for going all the way. When my...I really admire you for going all the way. When my husband and I started calling ourselves vegan we didn't really care about honey much either way, but it didn't seem worth it to try to avoid. No it does, though.<br /><br />But, yes, it is definitely frustrating! As hard as I'm sure it is to be an ovo-lacto-vegetarian, being vegan is a lot more difficult -- at least if you're eating out a lot or eating a lot of pre-made or otherwise processed foods. I can't tell you how many vegetarian products I've picked out thinking they were o.k. and buried down in the list was some small amount of honey or whey or something -- completely replaceable with something vegan! It's like they're trying to trip us vegans up, though I guess they just don't care. That's another reason why I try to avoid it, though, so they do start caring (hopefully). <br /><br />It does get easier, though. We've only been vegan for a few months but we already have new routines. We know where we can eat and what brands to look for and where to get them. And if you stick to fresh whole foods it is super easy and definitely a lot healthier. <br /><br />The hardest part is just putting up with the social part of it, like having to ask ahead of time if there'll be vegan choices and bringing your own food most of the time and smiling and nodding as you hear some bumper-sticker anti-veg*n joke for the 20th time. But I guess you're probably used to a lot of that already! It was definitely new to my husband and I -- and very eye-opening.Meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618960384664890953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828932463444568178.post-5053530547829883872010-02-17T15:16:16.145-05:002010-02-17T15:16:16.145-05:00Thanks for reading and for sharing your thoughts! ...Thanks for reading and for sharing your thoughts! Just to clarify, I do plan to stay away from honey to get the true "vegan experience." I guess I was just wondering why it was important. I'm not really a big fan of honey in general, but it shows up in many processed foods and it's frustrating not to be able to eat an otherwise perfectly vegan granola bar or cereal because it contains honey!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06608336405106489168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828932463444568178.post-67220699783382270442010-02-17T14:53:01.316-05:002010-02-17T14:53:01.316-05:00Here's a good post on the honey issue:
http://...Here's a good post on the honey issue:<br />http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm<br /><br />I try to avoid honey. I certainly don't need it and there are some great alternatives. I like brown rice syrup, but that's harder to find. Maple syrup and regular sugar are also options and, yes, agave nectar (though don't believe the hype about it being unprocessed and healthy, it's mostly just fructose, a form of sugar).<br /><br />Bottom line, bees are animals. So, it doesn't make a lot of sense logically to say you're vegan and eating honey because by definition vegans avoid animal products. It's sort of like "vegetarians" that eat fish and chicken, though you probably won't get quite the grief from it and even many honey-abstaining vegans believe that it's a battle not worth fighting at times.<br /><br />Now, it's not like we vegans think we can avoid killing or using any animals whatsoever. I know that bugs are killed growing plants and I probably kill more bugs driving my vehicle in love bug season than I'd kill eating local honey. And yes, sometimes I kill bugs inside my home.<br /><br />But the difference is intention. I don't want animals, whatever their size or intelligence, intentionally killed or even just mistreated to provide me with a food product that isn't even healthy, let alone necessary or irreplaceable.<br /><br />In the end, though, we must all draw our own lines because these issues aren't as black and white as they seem at first glance. I'd rather do a little extra, though, than feel like I'm doing too little. <br /><br />Anyhow, good luck on going vegan! My husband and I went from omnivores to vegan as a "short-term experiment" but we can't imagine going back. And while you're right to point out that one can definitely eat unhealthy on vegan diet, I've found that many of the vegan choices are much healthier than regular vegetarian ones as the latter tended to covered in cheese and butter, plus maybe some egg.<br /><br />Speaking of, The Ultimate Uncheese Cookbook is a great book if you do get some cheese cravings and Daiya is the best commercially produced vegan cheese I've had, so far. Vegan cheese is definitely not the same as animal cheese, but it can be just as delicious or better. It's just a matter of sorting out the good from the "meh" and watching out for "Veggie Slices" that have casein (milk protein) in them.Meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618960384664890953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8828932463444568178.post-75005288411449490412010-02-17T13:43:08.566-05:002010-02-17T13:43:08.566-05:00Hi Lauren,
I think pretty much all vegans stay aw...Hi Lauren,<br /><br />I think pretty much all vegans stay away from honey. Their reasoning, to a large degree, is that beekeepers concentrate large collections of bees in one area which takes something from the "natural order" in terms of bees at large being able to find food, etc. They (vegans) also believe that smoking the bees when attending the hives often harms or kills them. I don't know if any of these postulates are true but it is what I've heard from vegan friends. They also believe that it is just exploitation if another species.<br /><br />But like anything else, in my opinion at least, it should be a matter of personal choice and staying with what you believe is right for you!<br /><br />My Best<br />RichRichhttp://www.not-just-recipes.comnoreply@blogger.com